Tuesday, February 9, 2016

Revisiting Libertarian 'Open borders' Enthusiasts

There are two basic arguments libertarians pull on you when they advocate open borders:

1. If we get rid of welfare and free this and free that, they'll stop coming.

Answer: We're not going to do that anytime soon, and the more that come in the more votes we have to  continue those things, and I'm not at all convinced that will stop the tide. There's plenty of wealth here to beg for and steal, even if the government stops giving it away.

2. The people coming in aren't coming in because the borders are open, but because we have big government programs to bring them in, and if that stops, they'll stop coming.

Answer: Maybe fewer would come, but not all. And if the gvt stops luring them in, churches and other idiot organizations will take up the slack. And what will foreign governments do with their undesirables when they see a big, stupid country willing to take them all in? Yes, indeed. Remember the Mariel boatlift?

And here's some more answers from Eli Harman:
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Libertarians don't actually propose a solution, even in theory, but only, at best an amelioration of the present troubles.

Even without government subsidy, it's still possible to profit privately from importing people who create negative externalities for others. So that would still happen. And conflict will be the inevitable result, because it is not in my interests to allow you to exercise your liberty and property rights in ways which are damaging to mine. And simply insisting that it IS your right, to excercise them in those ways, and that no one must retaliate against you for doing so, will not convince anyone whose interests you are actually damaging not to conflict with you.

The second objection is a practical one, and that is good luck abolishing the incentives, subsidies, and inducements, so long as those dispensing them are permitted to import ever more voters or (if illegal) voter factories, who will defend those incentives, subsidies, and inducements, and fight to expand them.
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Quibcag: Illustrated by Yuki Nagato of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yūutsu), who, technically, is an illegal alien.

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