Monday, December 30, 2013

Nature and Nurture Nonsense

I guess I'm going to knock liberals again. Can't see any way around it. But I'm not knocking only liberals, but liberals and all the other people who believe in the myth of human equality. Now, I'm not speaking in the religious sense of the equal worth of every human soul (though I think that's a little iffy, too), or in the "all men are created equal" sense, which means only that nobility and royalty have no intrinsic rights that commoners lack, but in the scientific sense. Liberals are fond of saying that they're "scientific" while everybody else is superstitious or religious or something, but there is nothing less scientific than liberalism, which values intentions over results, fairness over justice, and wishes over facts.  The fact is that human races vary considerably in intellect and temperament, and every conceivable test has been devised in an attempt to disprove that, and none have succeeded. Or even come close. Whenever you point this fact out to a liberal (or a Marxist, or a neocon, for that matter), he assures you that "scientists" have proven that everybody is equal in intellect and temperament, but he can never tell you who these "scientists" are.  They're all in his imagination. Fact is, most scientists simply avoid answering the question because if they answer truthfully, they lose their jobs. Just ask James Watson.

Which brings me to the "culture" response, popular among libertarians.  They state that the problem with Blacks in America is that they have a dysfunctional culture.  And they tricky part here is that they're right. But the implication is that race has no effect on culture, and that you can through education or force or bribes you can make any human group adopt any human culture. so all we have to do is get Blacks or whoever to adopt Western or European culture, and then they'll function exactly like Whites do.  Wrong. It seems to be the case that race has an enormous effect on culture and that for a number of reasons, Blacks aren't going to adopt anybody else's damn culture. The reasons are in the Vox Day quibcag above, and in the Vox Day essay below:

Mailvox: clinging to the myth

MS clings to the myth of equality between different human population groups:
I don't need to base anything on race; the problem with many blacks in America is their culture. A lazy, irresponsible, INFERIOR culture compared to eurocentric "white" culture. If they adopted our culture tomorrow, most of their problems would disappear (IMO).
He's completely wrong. Africans don't adopt European culture for three reasons. First, because they can't. Second, because they prefer their own culture. Third, because Europeans have increasingly abandoned it themselves. Europeans have been trying to force Africans to adopt European culture for more than 200 years. It's not possible, and more to the point, it's not their choice.

Think about it. What could be more racist, what could be more culturally imperialistic, than to insist that Africans must adopt European culture? This is even worse than Muslims imposing Sharia on everyone; Sharia at least permits the dhimmi to retain their religion and customs. Why should Asians not insist that Europeans adopt their culture? If we put it to a global vote, I'm quite confident the Han Chinese would win.

Africans have a perfect right to live the way they want to live. So do Europeans. This is why desegregation is not only doomed to failure, but is intrinsically immoral. It is also likely to destroy whichever culture has the longer time preferences.

Remember, there are no shortage of whites, especially overweight, unattractive white women, who genuinely prefer the African culture of living fast, consuming conspicuously, and dying young in a promiscuous, matriarchal society to the European culture of living conservatively and saving to build for the future in a sexually restricted patriarchal society. As with all things economic, these are questions of preferences and time-orientation, not morality or science. (Read the rest HERE.)

2 comments:

  1. I'll pick up that gauntlet, considering the discussion at Vox Populi has already swept on.

    "But the implication is that race has no effect on culture, and that you can through education or force or bribes you can make any human group adopt any human culture. so all we have to do is get Blacks or whoever to adopt Western or European culture, and then they'll function exactly like Whites do. Wrong. It seems to be the case that race has an enormous effect on culture and that for a number of reasons"

    Don't weasel around - Vox' claim is that genetics is the determinant, the overwhelmingly primary one, and as one of those ex-Infantry Libertarian types, I am prepared to call bull on the claim (he's apparently too smart to try to substantiate it, since I suspect he knows it's an indefensible one).

    I expect you had seen plenty of soldiers in your time who were worthless pukes, but of the good ones, was there a genetic component to their ? Doubtful. I've found a number of good minority soldiers, certainly not an overwhelming number, and a very large number of sub-standard Caucasian ones. Trying to claim that cultural issues are due to genetics is a tenuous claim to make and certainly not as likely as cultural issues being due to... well, .

    As for making any culture adopt another culture's mores, you see it right here at home... and so the Swedes, beloved of the Progressive class, call in sick for Mondays.

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    1. You are aware that the military are _not_ representative of society at large? And since the late '70s self selecting? You have two choices with the people who are a SD to the left of the bell curve. You can allow them to live in a society not designed for them. That means you can allow them to fail either through charity or neglect. Or you can force them to conform. It's
      cheaper and better than the failure but you need the stones for it.

      Vox is a libertarian and self described 'sigma'. He's not going to advocate anything that smacks of the white mans burden. What do you want to do? You can deport tens of millions of hispanics, force manufacturers to manufacture here if they want to sell here and you still would wind up with culture and law being imposed because crime and public order have a huge genetic component.

      Absent the jobs stolen by illegals being returned to citizens you cannot remove welfare without riots and death. If you like your mulitiracial society, you can keep it. For now.

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