Wednesday, September 18, 2013

This Blog Supports America

Those little "We Support Israel" graphics you see on so many right-wing blogs really annoy me. For the most part, I agree with practically everything these blogs express, but why the expression of support for Israel?  Seriously, you never seen "We Support Australia," anywhere, and Australia is probably our most reliable ally, fighting on our side even in Vietnam. When did Israel last fight by our side? Now, we've fought on Israel's behalf several times, most recently in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we very well may do the same in Syria soon, but that makes us Israel's friend, not vice-versa. I recently pointed out the fact that the major reason for this inclination we have to attack Syria is that Israel wants us to, and was assured by a couple of correspondents that, heavens no, we never do stuff like that, and surely Israel doesn't want us to attack Syria at all.  Wrong.  Vox Day underwent the same process.  This is a repost from HIS SITE:

That was easy enough

Last week, Chelm Wiseman insisted that I and others were wrong about Israel's support for American intervention in Syria and repeatedly insinuated that our doubts about the supposed Israeli non-interest in American military action in Syria was somehow anti-semitic.

Here are some selections from his comments. The response to the third is mine:

  1. You have only supposition to support they accusation that Israel is in favor of a Syria war. If Israel is not behind it then it follows that the "elite Jews" are pursuing their own interest (like all elites everywhere) not Israel's. 
  2. You are seeing what you want to see here. This supports my point. The fact that they even have to phrase it like this indicates that there is not clear support from the Israel. They are not putting obstacles in the way of a US strike? Not exactly an ringing endorsement.
  3. Yes, but there is no source for that either and it comes after a statement about Israel deliberately trying to stay on the sidelines of the debate. NYT is not a friendly source for Netanyahu, so they can not be relied upon to portray him accurately. Stop pretending that they are. 

    "I caught you out blatantly misrepresenting the NYT article, Chelm. And I can, and will, easily find reports of the Netanyahu government's support for American military action in Syria from other sources, so banking on the NYT misrepresenting the Israeli government's position was an unwise move on your part."
And here is a report from Reuters on Tuesday: 
Israel wants to see Syrian President Bashar al-Assad toppled, its ambassador to the United States said on Tuesday, in a shift from its non-committal public stance on its neighbor's civil war.Even Assad's defeat by al Qaeda-aligned rebels would be preferable to Damascus's current alliance with Israel's arch-foe Iran, Ambassador Michael Oren said in an interview with the Jerusalem Post.

His comments marked a move in Israel's public position on Syria's two-and-1/2-year-old war....

"We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren't backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran," Oren said in the interview, excerpted on Tuesday before its full publication on Friday.
Note that this is a move in Israel's public position.  Its private position remains unchanged from before: it wants Bashar Assad to go and it wants America to make that happen. Now, there is nothing wrong with the Israeli position. It may well be in the Israeli national interest; I'm certainly not in any position to judge that. The problem is with those American Jews and their Christian Zionist allies who seek to elevate the Israeli national interest above the American one.

And if it is intrinsically anti-semitic to be pro-American, well, there are an awful lot more anti-semites out there than I had previously imagined.


  1. I don't support America or Israel.

    1. Are you American or Israeli? I hope not, I really do.

  2. When did Israel last fight by our side?

    When the USS Liberty was attacked by TWMNBN, Israel flew some planes over, to see if our sailors were alright.

    Anyone who says "that doesn't count" is just an anti-semite.

  3. I have seen this on many "conservative" forums and blogs. Mention putting America's interests first and you become an "Anti Semite". When the "Conservatives" start in about welfare, I ask if we can end the welfare gravy train headed to Tel Aviv. That starts teeth to gnashing and heads to spinning. Even when I state that all foreign welfare must be ended, I still get called an AS.

  4. A reminder to conservatives:

    Israel is not biblical and wasn't created by God. It was created in 1948 by Harry Truman, Joseph Stalin and the terrorist Irgun.

  5. Speaking of Israel and America, did you hear about this?

    Dick Durbin's Model Illegal Alien DREAMER: "F*** Israel"

  6. Joe Sobran once quipped that it is unlikely that the interests of Siamese twins coincide as closely as the interests of the USA and Israel are said to do.