Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Overpopulation and Underpopulation

There's a disturbing phenomenon around the world — underpopulation.  Oh, the usual teeming masses are doing fine, provided that they don't get their cultural ducks in a row.  The rule in the Third World is to have fierce population growth all the time.  Large families all over the place.  Now, large families don't mean population growth historically.  In pre-modern times, it was necessary to have several children if you wanted a couple of them to reach reproductive age themselves.  As we in the civilized world, so to speak, learned about sanitation and medicine and healthy practices in general, we gradually started having smaller families, because most of the kids would have kids themselves, and our population wouldn't grow too fast.  But this happened gradually, over centuries, and so we gradually came to think of small families as the norm.  But all these modern life-preserving techniques were exported rather suddenly to the Third World over decades instead of centuries, so the large-family custom led to population explosions all over the place, and there's very little evidence that it's stopping anytime soon.  But back in the First World — Europe and places colonized by Europeans, as well as East Asia — We've overdone the small family custom, and the only "White" country that doesn't have a population that's actually shrinking, I understand, is Albania.  Albanians are Europeans racially, but culturally, they're part of the Muslim world.

And I've known for some time that this is also a problem in Japan, and blogged about it recently HERE. Also, my understanding about China is that they deliberately slowed their population growth with a "one child" policy, but I assume they plan to resume normal replacement reproduction at the proper time, if they haven't already.  But I've often wondered if Korea, South Korea in particular, is sharing the underpopulation problem with Japan, as they seem to do in many other areas.  Well, it turns out that such is indeed the case.  They're having a weird thing with mail-order brides there.  Not enough Korean women for Koreans to marry. And these mail-order brides are largely from the Third World, with predictable consequences.  Evo and Proud blogs about the Korean immigration problem HERE.


  1. "We've overdone the small family custom, and the only "White" country that doesn't have a population that's actually shrinking, I understand, is Albania. Albanians are Europeans racially, but culturally, they're part of the Muslim world."

    You're understanding is wrong indeed. Albania is way below countries like Ireland -- or better yet, Iceland, which actually has a fertility rate above replacement:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_albania (1.48 children born/woman)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_iceland (2.14 children born: 1 woman)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ireland (2.02 children born/woman)

    Seriously, dude, this shit is not hard to look up. You should fact check before posting a blog article, or else somebody like me might do it for you.

    Developed nations with the highest fertility rates are the ones that have the highest rates of female participation in the work force, i.e., the least socially conservative ones. The Nordic states, the Anglo Countries, France, and the Benelux states are below replacement, but certainly higher than that of Eastern Europe, Southern Europe or East Asia. The obvious objection is that this is due to third world immigration, but Iceland, Finland, Ireland, Scotland, etc do not have especially high rates of non-western immigration. Also, I have a county-by-county map that I can post when I get to the computer where I have it stored. The highest fertility counties are not London, Paris, Oslo, etc, but counties with significantly lower non-western populations.

    1. Sounds interesting. I don't remember where I heard that about Albania. Looking forward to your map.

    2. Here you go: http://i.imgur.com/dzYtd.png

      You might have been thinking of Kosovo. It looks like you might have been thinking of Kosovo, which has a fertility rate of 2.4, which is the highest in Europe and the only region in either Eastern or Southern Europe that's above 2.0.

      Other dark green areas on the map include Western Norway and Finland, both of which are considered the "Bible Belt" of each country. Those areas are more conservative than other regions of the same country in the sense of being more religious, but less conservative than Eastern and Southern Europe (plus Germany), in that their host nations encourage mothers to continue their participation in the workplace even to the point of actively subsidizing it with extended mandatory maternity AND paternity leave. Other notable dark green areas include all of Ireland and Iceland, rural England, northern Scotland, and lots of regions in France that are neither Paris or Marseille (e.g., not Muslim areas).

    3. You know, I was wondering about that myself — that I was remembering what had been written about Kosovo rather than Albania. And it looks like I was. This is a big subject that deserves a lot of thought. Thanks.

  2. Now THAT'S funny. Can't wait to see the map of 'counties'.

    Btw, I suspect that the population imbalance has something to do with the discernment of children vs. 'kids'. That itself would make for a nice sized article.

    1. As you can see from the map, I really did mean "counties" and not "countries". Provinces, counties, whatever they might be called in each country.